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黑客帝国2尼欧跟先知的对话(黑客帝国3结局先知对话解析)

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黑客帝国2中尼奥与造物主的对话的含义是什么?

这部电影,在情节上,虚拟世界就相当于一个电脑的操作系统。造物主本身编写了这个系统。造物主,就相当于微软。而尼奥本身也是病毒,史密斯也是病毒。尼奥成为救世主,其实也被植入了一套程序。救世主就是一套程序。

这个可以从设计师于救世主的对话可以看出来。

设计师说,观察你的反映是很有意思的事,虽然程序改变了你的意识。但你仍保有人性。

足以说明救世主是程序。

但是程序寄托在了人的身上。尼奥就相当于黑客了。编写病毒的黑客。想想,现实中的黑客。

现实中的黑客=人的意识,编写程序的能力。

尼奥=人的意识,改变母体的能力。

所以说,这就相当于,微软永远杀不死黑客。病毒将永远存在。微软能做的就是出个补丁,在后黑客在找漏洞。如此而已。

至于史密斯。他是尼奥本身的投影。影片融合了,哲学,宗教思辨性的东西。从阴阳的角度来看。史密斯就是尼奥的反面。精神上是邪恶的。但是力量上是相等的。所以史密斯也是黑客,微软也拿他没办法。

那样就还会有下一任救世主,并不是真正的解放锡安。 按照建筑师最初编写救世主时的任务,救世主的使命就是在锡安运行一段时间后,将锡安的代码带回到Matrix的源程序进行重装,同时机器摧毁锡安,完成Matrix系统的升级。之后救世主将按照初始设置,带领16女7男返回真实世界,再开始重建锡安,等待下一代的救世主。而尼奥与前任们不同的是,建筑师在他的意识中编写了关于爱的编码,这本来是系统处于不断升级的需要,也是考察人类反应的新实验。但这个关于爱的编码,不但导致了尼奥在第二集中做出违背程序设置的选择,而且在第三集中将“爱情”升华为“博爱”,从而最后终结了战争,终止了矩阵和锡安之间的循环。

关于Matrix

Matrix是一个建立在数学基础上的严整系统,一切都是有规律的,包括特工们和尼奥的超能力在内,都是包含在这个系统中的。而尼奥这个“救世主”的产生,则和数学中的哥德尔命题有关。奥地利数学家哥德尔在1931年发表了题为《论数学原理及有关系统的形式不可判定命题》的论文,其中提出这样一个观点,在任何数学系统中,只要其能包含整数的算术,这个系统的相容性就不可能通过几个基础学派所采用的逻辑原理建立。简单地说,就是在任何系统中,总有些真理是游离于逻辑之外的,这些真理就叫做歌德尔命题。

在Matrix中,尼奥就是在Matrix这个严整系统中不能被数学推得的歌德尔命题,不符合系统的规律。(建筑师对尼奥的谈话中涉及部分)当尼奥重生后,他就担负起系统所有的扰动,所有的规则在他面前都变得透明,因此他能够看到系统中别人所看不到的东西。先知叫尼奥回到源头去终止灾难,在数学逻辑中就是将歌德尔命题变成整个系统的一部分,当作系统的一个变量,从而消除整个系统的不确定性。如果尼奥当初选择了毁灭锡安的门,他所携带的代码将反馈给系统,将系统的稳定性提高到一个新阶段。而这个选择的前提则是系统中没有斯密斯这个狂人。但从数学的角度上来说,这样的稳定也是暂时的,不是对系统的彻底修正,新的系统还是会产生自己的歌德尔命题,从而继续这个轮回。这就是为什么在尼奥之前会有六任救世主的原因。

按照建筑师最初编写救世主时的任务,救世主的使命就是在锡安运行一段时间后,将锡安的代码带回到Matrix的源程序进行重装,同时机器摧毁锡安,完成Matrix系统的升级。之后救世主将按照初始设置,带领16女7男返回真实世界,再开始重建锡安,等待下一代的救世主。而尼奥与前任们不同的是,建筑师在他的意识中编写了关于爱的编码,这本来是系统处于不断升级的需要,也是考察人类反应的新实验。但这个关于爱的编码,不但导致了尼奥在第二集中做出违背程序设置的选择,而且在第三集中将“爱情”升华为“博爱”,从而最后终结了战争,终止了矩阵和锡安之间的循环。

黑客帝国2里有一个尼奥跟特工开打前的对话,谁知道那里可以找到?

• Smith: Mister Anderson! Did you get my package?

• Neo: Yeah.

• Smith: Well, good.

• Morpheus: Smith.

• Link: Whoever it is, he's not reading like an agent.

• Smith: Surprised to see me?

• Neo: No.

• Smith: Then you're aware of it.

• Neo: Of what?

• Smith: Our connection. I don't fully understand how it happened. Perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied. That is at this point irrelevant, what matters is that whatever happened, happened for a reason.

• Neo: And what reason is that?

• Smith: I killed you, Mister Anderson, I watched you die... With a certain satisfaction, I might add, and then something happened. Something that I knew was impossible, but it happened anyway. You destroyed me, Mister Anderson. Afterward, I knew the rules, I understood what I was supposed to do but I didn't. I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey. And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed - I'm unplugged - a new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free.

• Neo: Congratulations.

• Smith: Thank you. But as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose - because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.

• Smith 2: It is purpose that created us,

• Smith 3: Purpose that connects us,

• Smith 4: Purpose that pulls us,

• Smith 5: That guides us,

• Smith 6: That drives us,

• Smith 7: It is purpose that defines,

• Smith 8: Purpose that binds us.

• Smith: We're here because of you, Mister Anderson, we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose.

• Trinity: What's happening to him?

• Link: I don't know.

• Smith: Yes, that's it, it'll be over soon.

黑客帝国2先知与NEO的台词 要英文的

The Oracle: Well, come on. I ain't gonna bite ya. Come around here, and let me have a look at ya. My goodness, look at you! You turned out all right, didn't you? How do you feel?

Neo: I, uh...

The Oracle: I know you're not sleeping. We'll get to that. Why don't you come and have a sit this time?

Neo: Maybe I'll stand.

The Oracle: Well, suit yourself.

Neo: I felt like sitting.

The Oracle: I know. So. Let's get the obvious stuff out of the way.

Neo: You're not human, are you?

The Oracle: Well it's tough to get any more obvious than that.

Neo: If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the machine world. So is he.

The Oracle: So far, so good.

Neo: But if that's true, that can mean you are a part of this system, another kind of control.

The Oracle: Keep going.

Neo: I suppose the most obvious question is, how can I trust you?

The Oracle: Bingo! It is a pickle, no doubt about it. The bad news is there's no way if you can really know whether I'm here to help you or not. So it's really up to you. You javake up your own damn mind to either accept what I'm going to tell you, or reject it. Candy?

Neo: D'you already know if I'm going to take it?

The Oracle: Wouldn't be much of an Oracle if I didn't.

Neo: But if you already know, how can I make a choice?

The Oracle: Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it. I thought you'd have figured that out by now.

Neo: Why are you here?

The Oracle: Same reason. I love candy.

Neo: But why help us?

The Oracle: We're all here to do what we're all here to do. I'm interested in one thing, Neo, the future. And believe me, I know - the only way to get there is together.

Neo: Are there other programs like you?

The Oracle: Oh, well, not like me. But... Look, see those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, the sunrise, and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing their job, doing what they were meant to do, are invisible. You'd never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, we hear about them all the time.

Neo: I've never heard of them.

The Oracle: Of course you have. Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.

Neo: Programs hacking programs. Why?

The Oracle: They have their reasons, but usually a program chooses exile when it faces deletion.

Neo: And why would a program be 删除d?

The Oracle: Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it - happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source.

Neo: The machine mainframe?

The Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of The One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door made of light?

Neo: [nods]

The Oracle: What happens when you go through the door?

Neo: I see Trinity, and something happens, something bad. She starts to fall, and then I wake up.

The Oracle: Do you see her die?

Neo: No.

The Oracle: You have the sight now, Neo. You are looking at the world without time.

Neo: Then why can't I see what happens to her?

The Oracle: We can never see past the choices we don't understand.

Neo: Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?

The Oracle: No. You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

Neo: No, I can't do that. I won't.

The Oracle: You have to.

Neo: Why?

The Oracle: Because you're The One.

Neo: What if I can't? What happens if I fail?

The Oracle: Then Zion will fall. Our time is up. Listen to me, Neo. You can save Zion if you reach The Source, but to do that you will need the Keymaker.

Neo: The Keymaker?

The Oracle: Yes, he disappeared some time ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He's being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

Neo: What does he want?

The Oracle: What do all men with power want? More power.

The Oracle: Be there, at that exact time, and you will have a chance.

Seraph: We must go.

The Oracle: Seems like every time we meet I've got nothing but bad news. I'm sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it's worth, you've made a believer out of me. Good luck, kiddo.

呵呵,希望没找错。

黑客帝国 经典台词

Oracle: That's it. That's the secret. You've got to use your hands.

Sati: Why?

Oracle: Cookies need love like everything does.

饼干也需要爱!先知开始教Sati那些人类的情感.先知教的这种爱是博爱,这一点叔本华是很缺乏的,但奇怪的是佛教很讲究博爱,而叔本华又研究多年佛学,他怎么就那么悲观呢?看来,Neo和Smith正是叔本华的两面,也是导演的两面,也是我的两面.任何一个既欣赏叔本华,又敬重佛教的人都会有这样的情况.

Sati: Neo!

Oracle: I was hoping to have these done before you got here. Oh well. Sati, honey, I think it's time for a tasting. Take the bowl to Seraph and find out if they're ready.

又一次证明先知的能力是”直觉”,Neo什么时候来这样物理因素很重的事件是很难预测的,但是先知确实预测到了Neo会来.

Sati: Okay. *to Neo* I'm glad you got out.

Neo: Me too.

Oracle: So, do you recognize me?

Neo: A part of you.

Oracle: Yeah, that's how it works. Some bits you lose, some bits you keep. I don't yet recognize my face in the mirror, but... I still love candy. *offers Neo a piece of red candy*

很精辟,佛经上讲:”得就是失,失就是得,有得必有失,有失必有得.”同一件事情的得与失比例对于不同的人来说是不一样的,你若能平心看到”得等于失”,那你就得道了.

Neo: No, thank you.

Oracle: Remember what you were like when you first walked through my door, jittery as a junebug? And now just look at you. You sure did surprise me, Neo, and you still do.

哈哈,Smith说伟大的先知绝无意外,而先知自己却说Neo给了她很多惊喜.说明先知对Neo的直觉并不永远准确,还好,这一点并不会对大问题产生影响.

Neo: You gave me a few surprises, too.

Oracle: I hope I helped.

Neo: You helped me to get here, but my question is why? Where does this go? Where does it end?

救世主问原因了,这是Neo在法国人那里学来的(第二部里,法国人就给他灌输这种思想),原因是动力啊.叔本华认为一个人的行为有两个因素:动机和性格.原因就是动机,这是没有争议的,而性格,既然是塑造出来的,同样也可以被改变.导演为什么在力求和第一部对应的时候安排先知提Neo的改变呢?就是要告诉观众,先知不旦给了Neo动机,甚至改变了Neo的性格.但不知有多少人理解导演的苦心.

Oracle: I don't know.

Neo: You don't know or you won't tell me?

Oracle: I told you before. No one can see beyond a choice they don't understand, and I mean no one.

“没有人可以理解自己看不透的选择”,这没有什么需要解释的.需要解释的是”先知还有不理解的选择?”回忆先知之前和Morpheus,Trinity的谈话,先知明确知道她这个选择的代价,但最后这个选择的代价却比她预期的高.说明这是个错误的选择(仅仅就利益而言),那么就无法看透这个选择了.但这个利益上的错误选择却并不完全错误,利益的根本就是生存的欲望,而叔本华在论自杀中就说过,像是主义,信仰,就可以超越生死,何况是仅仅被Smith入侵呢.

Neo: What choice?

Oracle: It doesn't matter. It's my choice. I have mine to make, same as you have yours.

Neo: Does that include what things to tell me and what not to tell me?

Oracle: Of course not.

Neo: Then why didn't you tell me about the Architect? Why didn't you tell me about Zion, the Ones before me - why didn't you tell me the truth?

Oracle: Because it wasn't time for you to know.

Neo: Who decided it wasn't time?

Oracle: You know who. *She points at the Temet Nosce sign above the door* Neo: I did. *Oracle nods* Then I think it's time for me to know a few more things.

Oracle: So do I.

Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.

Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.

Neo: Where?

Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.

救世主的力量当然不能局限于Matrix,在任何一个世界都不应该被终结.而Neo那些问题可以很容易从无线接入来解释.关于Source的问题,先知说Neo在碰到电子乌贼的时候,就感知到了Source.事实上,那些电子乌贼就是Source,那就是本质.我们的思想不应该被局限于”Source是一个空间”,Source完全可以是一种精神,一种本质,一种灵魂.电子乌贼作为一种很基本的机器,就是很本质的.先知说Neo还没有准备好接受,那是当然的了,谁能接受自己的敌人居然如此高尚,如此纯洁?(这么说可能很多人摸不找头脑,看Neo眼瞎之后的视野就知道我在说什么了)

死不死的问题也很有趣,”你应该死了,但是还有准备好.”够绝!敢情不准备好死还死不了了.Neo是否该死的问题没有必要解释,也无法解释,因为每个人(包括不用脑子看电影的)都明白,Neo不能死.

Neo: The Architect told me that if I didn't return to the Source, Zion would be destroyed by midnight tonight.

Oracle: *rolls eyes* Please... You and I may not be able to see beyond our own choices, but that man can't see past any choices.

Neo: Why not?

Oracle: He doesn't understand them - he can't. To him they are variables in an equation. One at a time each variable must be solved and countered. That's his purpose: to balance an equation.

Neo: What's your purpose?

Oracle: To unbalance it.

Neo: Why? What do you want?

Oracle: I want the same thing you want, Neo. And I am willing to go as far as you are to get it.

Neo: The end of the war. *Oracle nods* Is it going to end?

看到了吧,先知要的也是和平.很多人以小人之心度君子之腹,说先知不过是为了一次完备的升级.人家先知是很…的!(没词了)这也符合在她公寓墙上找到的”Peace”涂鸦.

Oracle: One way, or another.

Neo: Can Zion be saved?

Oracle: I'm sorry, I don't have the answer to that question, but if there's an answer, there's only one place you're going to find it.

Neo: Where?

Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.

Neo: What does that mean?

Oracle: Everything that has a beginning has an end. I see the end coming. I see the darkness spreading. I see death. And you are all that stands in his way.

Neo: Smith.

Oracle: *nods* Very soon he's going to have the power to destroy this world, but I believe he won't stop there; he can't. He won't stop until there's nothing left at all.

Neo: What is he?

Oracle: He is you. Your opposite, your negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out.

我们说过,Neo是逻辑外真理,是在等式之外的.Smith却是因为等式为了平衡而被建造出来的.解释就是先知硬是把逻辑外真理由值转为关系.借设计师的手创造了Smith这个可怕的负数.(我为什么在这里用”可怕”形容Smith呢?我和他一样的哲学啊!)

Neo: What if I can't stop him?

Oracle: One way or another, Neo, this war is going to end. Tonight, the future of both worlds will be in your hands... or in his.

我找来的中英文版本,希望你能喜欢

在黑客帝国2里面,尼奥和先知第一次谈完话后,特工史密斯对尼奥说的独白是从几分几秒开始的,几分几秒结束

可能版本不同,我的是从00:50:50开始,到00:53:40结束

望楼主满意~

求:黑客帝国2中尼奥于矩阵设计师的中文对白。

设计师:你好,尼奥

尼奥:你是谁?

设计师:我是设计师,是我创造了梅屈克斯。我一直在等你。 我知道你有很多问题要问,虽然整个过程改变了你的意识,但你依然是不折不扣的人类。所以我的一些回答你也许能明白,有些你也许不能明白。你的第一个问题也许是最有关键的一个问题,同时你也许意识到或没有意识到它也是最无关紧要的问题。

尼奥:为什么我会在这里?

设计师:你的生命是梅屈克斯固有程序中一个失衡因式的残留总和。你是一个偏差的偶然性,是尽管我竭尽全力,仍不能消除的影响数学精度和谐的一个偏差。尽管它不断地制造麻烦让我小心翼翼地处理它,但它并不是不可预测的,它仍然处于控制范围之内。它引导着你来到这里。

尼奥:你还没有回答我的问题。

设计师:很好。有意思,这要比其他的那些要快一点。

其他救世主的回应显现在监视器上:其他的?什么其他的?有多少个?回答我!

设计师:梅屈克斯比你想像的要老得多。我比较喜欢用一个完整偏差的出现到下一个完整偏差出现的方式来计算,这已经是第六个版本的梅屈克斯。

其他救世主的回应再次显现在监视器上:五个版本?三个版本?我一直被蒙在鼓里,妈的。

尼奥:只可能有两种解释:没人告诉过我或是从来就没人知道。

设计师:正确。因为你无疑是最简单化的因式里聚集并创造着偏差的系统化变动

其他救世主的回复再次显现在监视器上:你控制不了我!Fuck you!我会干掉你!我不会为你做任何事情!

尼奥:选择。问题的关键是选择。

(电影场景切换到崔妮蒂和一个密探对打,然后又切换回到建造者的房间。)

设计师:我设计的第一个梅屈克斯非常完美,它简直就像是一件完美而卓越的艺术品。它的成功和失败都同样是史诗性的。它失败的必然性在我看来是每个人类固有的非完美性的结果。所以我根据你们人类的历史重新设计了梅屈克斯,以便更准确地反映你们人类本性中多变的怪诞特质。可是我再次失败了。我终于了解到我得不到正确答案是因为它不需要太多的考虑或是也许不需要考虑太多完美性的问题因素。答案最终为另一个指导性的程序偶然发现,这个程序原本是为了研究某些人类思维的。如果说我是梅屈克斯之父,她无疑是梅屈克斯之母。

尼奥:先知。

设计师:嗯。正如我所说的,她偶然发现了一个方法使得将近99.9% 的试验体接受程序, 那就是给他们一个选择的机会,他们甚至只是仅仅意识到这个选择只是处于无意识的阶段. 这个解决方案最初进行时, 它无疑从基础上是有缺陷的, 因而产生了相矛盾的系统偏差, 如果不加以抑制就会威胁到系统本身. 因此那些拒绝程序的试验体, 尽管只是少数, 但如果不加以抑制就会不断增加形成灾难的可能性.

尼奥:你指的是锡安。

设计师:你在这里是因为锡安就快要被摧毁。居住在里面的人全都会被消灭,那里所有的一切都会被彻底摧毁。

尼奥:放屁!

(其他救世主的回应显现在监视器上:放屁!)

设计师:否认是所有人类反应中最容易预知的一种。但不可否认的是,这将是我们第六次摧毁锡安,我们干得越来越干净利落。电影画面切换到崔妮蒂和密探的对打,然后又回到建造者的房间。

设计师:救世主的作用就是现在要返回源极,散播你所携带的编码,重新植入源程序。然后你要从梅屈克斯中选出十六个女性,七个男性共二十三个人类个体来重建锡安。如果没有按照这个步骤来进行,将会导致灾难性的系统崩溃,这会杀死连接在梅屈克斯上的所有人附带的锡安毁灭,这也意味着全人类的绝灭。

尼奥:你不会让这样的事情发生的,你不会的。你们需要人类才能生存。

设计师:我们已经作好了接受任何幸存程度的准备。但与此相关的问题是你是否已经准备好为这个世界所有人类的灭亡承担责任?

(设计师按下他拿在手里的笔上的一个按键,

梅屈克斯里各个地方的人的图像显现在监视器里。)

设计师:观察你的反应很有趣。你的五个前辈都是在一个相同推断的基础上设计以便你执行我们设计好的流程,这个可能的巧合意味着与你们种类的附属关系. 其他的那些救世主们是按常规的方式经历这一过程的,相对他们, 你的经历却是相当特殊的, 你经历着爱.

(尼奥梦里崔妮蒂和密探大战的画面出现在监视器上。)

尼奥:崔妮蒂!

设计师:顺带说一句,她进入梅屈克斯牺牲她自己是为了救你。

尼奥:不!

设计师: 这最终让我们来到揭示真相的时刻. 基本缺陷出现时, 偏差表现为开始和结束. 这里有两道门. 你右边的门是通往源极拯救锡安的. 你左边的门是回到梅屈克斯, 去往她以及你们种类绝灭的。就像你说的,问题的关键是选择。可是我们已经知道你准备如何选择,不是吗?我已经能够看到由此产生的连锁反应,你体内的前体生化物质发出的信号引起情感的开始,压制了你的逻辑和理智。你的情感已经蒙蔽了一个简单而明显的事实——她就快要死了,而你却无可奈何。

(尼奥走向他左边的门。)

设计师:哼。希望,最典型的人类错觉。它既是你们最强大的力量又是你们最大的弱点。

尼奥:如果我是你,我希望我们不会再见面。

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